READ THIS DEEP DIVE on the Pentagon's bullying of Anthropic. How successful will the government be in enslaving smart people and demanding their intellectual cooperation?
"Department of War" should always be in quotes. That's the administration's wet dream. The official designation as per Congress is the "Department of Defense".
WW2, kinda sorta, OK. But then there's the Spanish-American war, WW1, Vietnam, Iraq 1 & 2, Libya, Syria, the Balkans, etc., etc., one could go on. The War-y aspect is sometimes easier to see than the Defend-y aspect.
I think this is a cleverly crafted marketing campaign between Anthropic and Trump's team. Hegeseth is just a pawn. He's after all a soldier (and he tells you that by showing off his training).
Here's why this is reeks.
1. Anthropic is kept alive by Pentagon projects. Without that money, it will go belly up sooner than later. This is why it is is a rush for IPO. So money is super important, now more than ever.
2. They're building up to blockbuster IPO. Hence, the 60 minutes and other constant appearances on TV and the FUD predictions.
3. Am I to believe that Pentagon cannot sustain without them? Heard of Google and Meta who have been at this for a decade?
4. These are Trump's friends. This is a constant circus.
They'll do some Kabuki and give Anthropic a way out. In the end, Anthropic will simply upload all the data they have on us.
And we'll all forget. Just like we did with Google's "Do no evil" mantra.
Thank you. Amodei's statement reads like the usual sci-fi LARPind I've come to expect from every single tech CEO involved in AI. I really don't understand why he's seen as the more level headed among them.
If the situation is as Amodei presents, where's the hair-on-fire social media freakout from Trump and Vance and their surrogate outrage army? They don't take kindly to public expressions of defiance.
Pretending to take the "high road", while they are perfectly happy to lend their full support to the genocide of the Palestinian people. Sinister ghouls 💀
Shouldn’t be a problem because fully autonomous weapons don’t exist. And, secondly, Oracle and other already existing tech companies provide all the domestic surveillance needs of the U.S. government.
Anthropic looks like a 25 year old college student virtue signaling. Anthropic will do exactly as they’re told by their owners. Give me a break
You do know they are owned by Dario, his sister, and others who work there, right? And on what authority are you saying fully autonomoous weapons don't exist? If others can provide the surveillance, why is Hegseth picking this fight?
Dario and his sister are owned by the U.S. government via msft, Google, Amazon, & CIG. Dario and his sister are their property.
Their entire livelihood depends on security clearances. As is, Ellison, Brin, Cook, Musk, etc. You’re falling for a marketing gimmick.
Anthropic is dependent on AWS, Google, and Oracle Cloud. All well known for their assistance in domestic surveillance. Christ, Oracle was a CIA program until it was defunded and spun off from CIA. Its original CIA program manager was Larry Ellison.
DOD 3000.09 prohibits fully autonomous weapons without human oversight. That’s basic 101 chain of command. Furthermore, they don’t exist. We can barely get cars to drive on their own.
Lets's keep that CIA and Oracle thing going. Which billionaires profited handsomely from either direct government largesse or rules that helped them then later turned on the government? Elon Musk got guaranteed loans from the Obama administration for Tesla.
Antonio Gramsci’s Prison Notebooks is still to this day one of my favorite books. He knew exactly what was wrong and is applicable to even Anthropic’s silly or stunt.
“The men who can afford the cost of knowledge and can sacrifice the time to obtain it should spread the knowledge amongst the public. Instead, they choose to pleasure themselves”
Cute... Is that supposed to make anyone calm? We draw the line at mass surveillance and allowing A.I. to nuke the planet? What about the implications for the rest of the world? What about creating the guardrails first? How much further behind will the domestic and international law continue to fall on this?
Neither does OpenAI. It isn't as if Claude is just so good that it can't be replaced by ChatGPT or CoPilot or Gemini. It isn't. They are all basically the same.
Which, again, points to this being a put-on to get some publicity.
"...fully autonomous weapons cannot be relied upon to exercise the critical judgment that our highly trained, professional troops exhibit every day. They need to be deployed with proper guardrails, which don’t exist today." -- Dario Amodei
Please note, everyone. There are no proper guardrails. They do not exist today. The AI boss man says this himself. Forget the Department of Killing. These machines have already been let loose on the world and are completely out of control. It's Dario Amodei as much as Pete Hegseth who needs to be reined in. The world is at the mercy of complete madmen.
How quickly they swerve from "our technology is amazing and safe and will transform everything!" to the naked admission that "it doesn't actually work, please don't use it for this."
I'm sorry but Anthropic thinking they can gate their capability behind terms of use agreements is dumb as shit. Do you think Iran or China give a fuck at all. This weakens American agencies and gives out adversaries a weapon. They should absolutely now be banned from exports until they can prove they have bricked Claude sufficiently against the things they're worried about.
I suppose it depends how much history you want to consider.
Do we get to bring in Mao? Or going back a little further, the various historical empires situated around Iran.
Going forward in history, forget about Iran, but you might want to look at the military build-up in China. Eventually all such militaries get used, it's the way of the world and only a matter of time.
I don't disagree that the West in general and the US empire in particular have done some bad things, but I'm not sure the whole "you did more historical bad things" is either a very sound argument or a very useful one even if it were sound.
I mean yeah Mao was a brutal dictator on his own people but he didn’t pillage the global south for the ability to extract its natural resources and capital.
No, we should use the technology for international surveillance or weapons development that is a critical part of defense tech. The "Americans are being surveilled" is fake talking point as DoW does not do domestic surveillance at all. So we have handed capabilities to our adversaries that we are preventing ourselves from using for no reason at all.
Its like building nukes and giving the plans over to China but saying that we'd never build one. How naive do you have to be.
Dept of war may not do domestic surveillance but many other offices do at the pentagon. The pentagon absolutely does domestic surveillance, long before Dario stopped breast feeding.
No they do not. DHS does domestic work. Intel agencies are purely foreign facing. If any American is swept up in surveillance it's incredibly rare and it's because they are communicating with foreign malignant actors. The cases are handed to the FBI. I'm sorry you guys just are taken in by marketing slop because you don't understand how these agencies operate.
Can't it be a civil discussion? Instead of just a Like button, there should be three: Like the idea, Like the way it was presented, and The author should grow up.
Support if it's a truly moral position taken with conviction and willingness to fight to the end, but my cynical take is that Dario has identified a surefire avenue for even more great publicity. Got that IPO coming after all! I have a feeling that, in the end, our good friend Claude will be used by the military regardless.
Props to Dario and Anthropic. Well said.
READ THIS DEEP DIVE on the Pentagon's bullying of Anthropic. How successful will the government be in enslaving smart people and demanding their intellectual cooperation?
https://www.ifyoucankeepit.org/p/a-steel-mill-the-president-might
This is what corporate integrity sounds like. It is increasingly rare.
This is what pr firms sound like.
This is what a put-on sounds like.
😂
Why am I reading this as posturing? Experience, maybe?
Wisdom.
Because it is posturing.
Good on you, Dario & Co.
Meanwhile, Sam to Petey: "Here, here I am, make A.I. Blam! -- turn folks to jam, says Sam I Am."
"Department of War" should always be in quotes. That's the administration's wet dream. The official designation as per Congress is the "Department of Defense".
lol. You mean department of offense? When have we ever been defense?
WW2, for instance
WW2, kinda sorta, OK. But then there's the Spanish-American war, WW1, Vietnam, Iraq 1 & 2, Libya, Syria, the Balkans, etc., etc., one could go on. The War-y aspect is sometimes easier to see than the Defend-y aspect.
I think this is a cleverly crafted marketing campaign between Anthropic and Trump's team. Hegeseth is just a pawn. He's after all a soldier (and he tells you that by showing off his training).
Here's why this is reeks.
1. Anthropic is kept alive by Pentagon projects. Without that money, it will go belly up sooner than later. This is why it is is a rush for IPO. So money is super important, now more than ever.
2. They're building up to blockbuster IPO. Hence, the 60 minutes and other constant appearances on TV and the FUD predictions.
3. Am I to believe that Pentagon cannot sustain without them? Heard of Google and Meta who have been at this for a decade?
4. These are Trump's friends. This is a constant circus.
They'll do some Kabuki and give Anthropic a way out. In the end, Anthropic will simply upload all the data they have on us.
And we'll all forget. Just like we did with Google's "Do no evil" mantra.
Thank you. Amodei's statement reads like the usual sci-fi LARPind I've come to expect from every single tech CEO involved in AI. I really don't understand why he's seen as the more level headed among them.
If the situation is as Amodei presents, where's the hair-on-fire social media freakout from Trump and Vance and their surrogate outrage army? They don't take kindly to public expressions of defiance.
"They don't take kindly to public expressions of defiance."
Exactly! That is a good barometer as to how much friction really exists.
Pretending to take the "high road", while they are perfectly happy to lend their full support to the genocide of the Palestinian people. Sinister ghouls 💀
Shouldn’t be a problem because fully autonomous weapons don’t exist. And, secondly, Oracle and other already existing tech companies provide all the domestic surveillance needs of the U.S. government.
Anthropic looks like a 25 year old college student virtue signaling. Anthropic will do exactly as they’re told by their owners. Give me a break
You do know they are owned by Dario, his sister, and others who work there, right? And on what authority are you saying fully autonomoous weapons don't exist? If others can provide the surveillance, why is Hegseth picking this fight?
Dario and his sister are owned by the U.S. government via msft, Google, Amazon, & CIG. Dario and his sister are their property.
Their entire livelihood depends on security clearances. As is, Ellison, Brin, Cook, Musk, etc. You’re falling for a marketing gimmick.
Anthropic is dependent on AWS, Google, and Oracle Cloud. All well known for their assistance in domestic surveillance. Christ, Oracle was a CIA program until it was defunded and spun off from CIA. Its original CIA program manager was Larry Ellison.
DOD 3000.09 prohibits fully autonomous weapons without human oversight. That’s basic 101 chain of command. Furthermore, they don’t exist. We can barely get cars to drive on their own.
Lets's keep that CIA and Oracle thing going. Which billionaires profited handsomely from either direct government largesse or rules that helped them then later turned on the government? Elon Musk got guaranteed loans from the Obama administration for Tesla.
Every billionaire is a dependent of government contracts. Every single one.
Antonio Gramsci’s Prison Notebooks is still to this day one of my favorite books. He knew exactly what was wrong and is applicable to even Anthropic’s silly or stunt.
“The men who can afford the cost of knowledge and can sacrifice the time to obtain it should spread the knowledge amongst the public. Instead, they choose to pleasure themselves”
Role of Intellectuals, Gramsci
Because it makes for good TV. That is what he knows as does his boss from “The Apprentice”.
It’s shocking how easily people can fall for this ridiculousness after witnessing it for a decade. How many times must they touch the hot stove?
Cute... Is that supposed to make anyone calm? We draw the line at mass surveillance and allowing A.I. to nuke the planet? What about the implications for the rest of the world? What about creating the guardrails first? How much further behind will the domestic and international law continue to fall on this?
I guess we’ll wait and see….if he means what he says.
Clearly, Palantir doesn’t share this attitude.
Neither does OpenAI. It isn't as if Claude is just so good that it can't be replaced by ChatGPT or CoPilot or Gemini. It isn't. They are all basically the same.
Which, again, points to this being a put-on to get some publicity.
"...fully autonomous weapons cannot be relied upon to exercise the critical judgment that our highly trained, professional troops exhibit every day. They need to be deployed with proper guardrails, which don’t exist today." -- Dario Amodei
Please note, everyone. There are no proper guardrails. They do not exist today. The AI boss man says this himself. Forget the Department of Killing. These machines have already been let loose on the world and are completely out of control. It's Dario Amodei as much as Pete Hegseth who needs to be reined in. The world is at the mercy of complete madmen.
How quickly they swerve from "our technology is amazing and safe and will transform everything!" to the naked admission that "it doesn't actually work, please don't use it for this."
What a (dangerous) circus.
It is a con all the way down.
Yep.
I'm sorry but Anthropic thinking they can gate their capability behind terms of use agreements is dumb as shit. Do you think Iran or China give a fuck at all. This weakens American agencies and gives out adversaries a weapon. They should absolutely now be banned from exports until they can prove they have bricked Claude sufficiently against the things they're worried about.
The goal is headlines
This. Big IPO coming. Lots of stock to pump up.
you think China or Iran are the main forces of violence in history? not the west?
I suppose it depends how much history you want to consider.
Do we get to bring in Mao? Or going back a little further, the various historical empires situated around Iran.
Going forward in history, forget about Iran, but you might want to look at the military build-up in China. Eventually all such militaries get used, it's the way of the world and only a matter of time.
I don't disagree that the West in general and the US empire in particular have done some bad things, but I'm not sure the whole "you did more historical bad things" is either a very sound argument or a very useful one even if it were sound.
I mean yeah Mao was a brutal dictator on his own people but he didn’t pillage the global south for the ability to extract its natural resources and capital.
They can gate Anthropic themselves; not others. That is how morality works--one does what is right even when others do not.
"America you cannot use this technology for defense via surveillance because we don't like the idea of it.
Oh china is using it to do surveillance and make bio weapons, well, they shouldnt and we don't like that"
Honestly how fucking naive are you people
I don't understand your position. If X is doing Y (which is awful), then you should do Y as well? Because China surveils its people, we should too?
No, we should use the technology for international surveillance or weapons development that is a critical part of defense tech. The "Americans are being surveilled" is fake talking point as DoW does not do domestic surveillance at all. So we have handed capabilities to our adversaries that we are preventing ourselves from using for no reason at all.
Its like building nukes and giving the plans over to China but saying that we'd never build one. How naive do you have to be.
The "fake talking point" is that any of this stuff works as Dario claims it does. This whole episode is a marketing exercise.
A wise man once said "never give a known liar the benefit of the doubt". Dario is a known liar.
Dept of war may not do domestic surveillance but many other offices do at the pentagon. The pentagon absolutely does domestic surveillance, long before Dario stopped breast feeding.
No they do not. DHS does domestic work. Intel agencies are purely foreign facing. If any American is swept up in surveillance it's incredibly rare and it's because they are communicating with foreign malignant actors. The cases are handed to the FBI. I'm sorry you guys just are taken in by marketing slop because you don't understand how these agencies operate.
Can't it be a civil discussion? Instead of just a Like button, there should be three: Like the idea, Like the way it was presented, and The author should grow up.
Support if it's a truly moral position taken with conviction and willingness to fight to the end, but my cynical take is that Dario has identified a surefire avenue for even more great publicity. Got that IPO coming after all! I have a feeling that, in the end, our good friend Claude will be used by the military regardless.
IDK, maybe Dario should have thrown in a few more 'warfighters' just to make sure.
And sent it out on official Starfleet stationary...
"Department of War", "warfighters". It's infantile. And the rest of you just mimic them, so sad.
The "warfighter" term has been around for a long time. It is corporate buzzword bingo as interpreted by the Military Industrial Complex.
Wow good for them. We need more corporations to stand up to these fascists.
The Trump administration is one never-ending marathon of Idiocracy