Feb 4, 2023·edited Feb 4, 2023Liked by Gary Marcus
Haha. This was a pleasant and hilarious read. LeCun has come around and may even retrace his steps at some point and start over, although I doubt it. Reading the exchange on Twitter, I busted out laughing when I saw this tweet by an anonymous poster named Ubongo: "You are on an offramp." To which LeCun answered: "People have been telling me this during my entire career."
What's funny is that I agree with Ubongo. On the highway to AGI, LeCun took the offramp long ago when he made objective function optimization the core of his AI career. Deep learning is irrelevant to AGI. :-D
A hilarious read! But wow, cropping you out of the post-Turing award photo circulation sounds like some Roman Empire-era damnatio memoriae stuff.
BTW, do we know if Jurgen Schmidhuber has a Substack? I have a feeling that if he did, he'd definitely want to cross-post and annotate the story as part of AI history of evolutions.
Feb 4, 2023·edited Feb 4, 2023Liked by Gary Marcus
The off-ramp that is visible here is not so much one for human-level AI with LLM on it, it is an off-ramp for LeCun. In the past, when a hype died, the ones who had been peddling it sank quickly into anonymity. LeCun has taken an off-ramp from that.
I wonder if LeCun has the courage and moral fiber to *explicitly* tell his followers that Gary was right, instead of only publicly adopting Gary's *position*. That really would be a grand and impressive gesture.
Haha. This was a pleasant and hilarious read. LeCun has come around and may even retrace his steps at some point and start over, although I doubt it. Reading the exchange on Twitter, I busted out laughing when I saw this tweet by an anonymous poster named Ubongo: "You are on an offramp." To which LeCun answered: "People have been telling me this during my entire career."
What's funny is that I agree with Ubongo. On the highway to AGI, LeCun took the offramp long ago when he made objective function optimization the core of his AI career. Deep learning is irrelevant to AGI. :-D
Ah I'm late to this very entertaining feud which I've been seeing on Twitter. Thanks for the background information. :)
You're both great. I wish you both well.
A hilarious read! But wow, cropping you out of the post-Turing award photo circulation sounds like some Roman Empire-era damnatio memoriae stuff.
BTW, do we know if Jurgen Schmidhuber has a Substack? I have a feeling that if he did, he'd definitely want to cross-post and annotate the story as part of AI history of evolutions.
The off-ramp that is visible here is not so much one for human-level AI with LLM on it, it is an off-ramp for LeCun. In the past, when a hype died, the ones who had been peddling it sank quickly into anonymity. LeCun has taken an off-ramp from that.
I wonder if LeCun has the courage and moral fiber to *explicitly* tell his followers that Gary was right, instead of only publicly adopting Gary's *position*. That really would be a grand and impressive gesture.
Caption on the Montreal picture left out Bengio.
Good catch! Fixed!