Big news today, via Stephanie Palazzolo at The Information: the group Public Citizen yesterday petitioned the state California to reevaluate OpenAI’s nonprofit status.
Harder to claim that you must be given access to everyone else’s copyrighted materials gratis when you can no longer claim to be a nonprofit defending humanity from your creation.
Coming from a legal background and fairly tech savvy, I had not heard the term "e/acc". After having Wikipedia bring me up to speed, I realized that I've read quite a bit put out by its advocates, primarily Andrew Ng. What concerns me is that they, like so many, see everything in black and white, this or that. I just don't get the lack of discourse. What's truly sad, is that honest discourse, listening, give and take is how we evolve.
The non-profit is purely nominal. It is the for-profit arm which gets investor money, sells the chatbot, and which presumably makes profits (though for now likely they are steep losses).
The important question is how much of assets the non-profit actually has. Likely not much, since the chatbot is not owned by it.
I highly doubt. Read about OpenAI's structure on their web site. The non-profit survived based on donations. The for-profit is a separate venture. The investors gave money to the for-profit.
The non-profit controls the for-profit, but does not own it.
Eventually, if the for-profit makes a lot of money, the profits above a certain cap go to the non-profit. But that will happen after Microsoft gets its investment back.
So, for now this is a little game. Time likely has come for the non-profit to go away. I just don't think there will be anything left out of that.
Could they separate the non-profit from the for-profit? So that the non-profit keeps the "OpenAI" name and has the option to keep doing research, while the for-profit has to adopt a new name?
The status quo will fight tooth and nail to maintain it's position, but in the end the most efficient means of production typically wins. As example, if OpenAI were completely dismantled, two weeks later we'd all be using a Chinese version of ChatGPT. Once a technology cat is let out of the bag, it runs wild in any direction it wants.
“Non-profit” this is such a scam...even after all the game to thrones nonsense that happened with OpenAI/Microsoft. To still try to pass this off as non-profit is an insult to any even half thinking person. What a fraud.
Your desire to see OpenAI and all research & development of LLM's and future AGI is a sad sight to behold.... be good Gary and try your best to contribute useful technical and scientific information to the field of Simulated Intelligence i.e. Artificial Knowledge Tools.
Harder to claim that you must be given access to everyone else’s copyrighted materials gratis when you can no longer claim to be a nonprofit defending humanity from your creation.
Would be nice if the AG forces some transparency.
i shoulda said that at the end!
Coming from a legal background and fairly tech savvy, I had not heard the term "e/acc". After having Wikipedia bring me up to speed, I realized that I've read quite a bit put out by its advocates, primarily Andrew Ng. What concerns me is that they, like so many, see everything in black and white, this or that. I just don't get the lack of discourse. What's truly sad, is that honest discourse, listening, give and take is how we evolve.
Why would dissolving the nonprofit result in a "distribution, conceivably measured in the billions of dollars, to an external charity"? The latest news is that "OpenAI’s nonprofit arm showed revenue of $45,000". https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/12/openai-nonprofit-arm-45000-in-2022-revenue-company-worth-billions.html
The non-profit is purely nominal. It is the for-profit arm which gets investor money, sells the chatbot, and which presumably makes profits (though for now likely they are steep losses).
The important question is how much of assets the non-profit actually has. Likely not much, since the chatbot is not owned by it.
I think the non profit owns a significant portion of the for-profit. So it's assets are worth a lot
I highly doubt. Read about OpenAI's structure on their web site. The non-profit survived based on donations. The for-profit is a separate venture. The investors gave money to the for-profit.
The non-profit controls the for-profit, but does not own it.
Eventually, if the for-profit makes a lot of money, the profits above a certain cap go to the non-profit. But that will happen after Microsoft gets its investment back.
So, for now this is a little game. Time likely has come for the non-profit to go away. I just don't think there will be anything left out of that.
I'll get the popcorn ready, it's always fun to watch e/accholes squirm.
rotfl
treat for you: https://x.com/garymarcus/status/1745204421729104211?s=61&t=2voLMkhJf6P349CqztWSAQ
"Knows"??
Giving ChatGPT pronouns?
And choosing "his", I have to notice?
The lion, the witch, the audacity of this bitch...
they are considering turning it into for-profit corporation https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-altman-mulls-turning-openai-into-a-regular-company-2024-5.
Could they separate the non-profit from the for-profit? So that the non-profit keeps the "OpenAI" name and has the option to keep doing research, while the for-profit has to adopt a new name?
see Public Citizen’s request to CA attorney general to do just that (discussed in an earlier post)
The status quo will fight tooth and nail to maintain it's position, but in the end the most efficient means of production typically wins. As example, if OpenAI were completely dismantled, two weeks later we'd all be using a Chinese version of ChatGPT. Once a technology cat is let out of the bag, it runs wild in any direction it wants.
“Non-profit” this is such a scam...even after all the game to thrones nonsense that happened with OpenAI/Microsoft. To still try to pass this off as non-profit is an insult to any even half thinking person. What a fraud.
Please, stop.
Your desire to see OpenAI and all research & development of LLM's and future AGI is a sad sight to behold.... be good Gary and try your best to contribute useful technical and scientific information to the field of Simulated Intelligence i.e. Artificial Knowledge Tools.
That was a straight news article
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